i think that's one thing i got from president obama's meeting with the business round table yesterday. and so they might be saying if you're going to raise taxes, let's just go all the way. republicans are only going to agree to tax increases if they offer spending cuts and i mean i don't know how you define the grand bargain but, you know, in my view, because they haven't done a tax increase, a real, sizable tax increase in so long, since the early 1990 under president clinton, almost any significant tax increase i would say is a pretty big deal a pretty grand achievement. host: next call, george, maryland, on the democrats' line. caller: i want to ask mr. gold mar b, i notice in the -- mr. goldfarb, i notice in the president's discussion, he included extenders. what are those? guest: forget what i was saying about the 15-year depreciation -- 15-year and 39 year, instant depreciation allows businesses to take de-- bonus depreciation allows businesses to take depreciation immediatery, it can be 50% in a given year, it can be pushed up to 100%. i'm not sure whether it's looking to exte